From Bradley.Jones at rsandh.com Mon Mar 8 10:18:23 2010 From: Bradley.Jones at rsandh.com (Jones, Bradley) Date: Mon Mar 8 10:19:35 2010 Subject: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces Message-ID: <3A9AA700D6772149A2147975CE285BD802073E8848@RSHJAXEXCH.rsandh.com> I replaced the shifter console piece about 5 years ago and it lasted until now. I only used water to clean it. I have another I can install, but I am now hesitant to do so. Does anyone know what causes these parts to deteriorate and become sticky? Is there a way to save them? '94 TT , 6 spd, bpu, 43k Bradley Bradley Jones Senior Traffic Operations Designer 1715 N. Westshore Blvd., Suite 500 Tampa, FL 33607-3999 Phone: 813-636-2667 / Fax: 813-289-0263 www.rsandh.com [cid:imagea0d1fd.gif@d0228738.8c1d4658]__________ From andi at airmail.net Mon Mar 8 10:33:12 2010 From: andi at airmail.net (Andi Baritchi) Date: Mon Mar 8 10:33:35 2010 Subject: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces In-Reply-To: <3A9AA700D6772149A2147975CE285BD802073E8848@RSHJAXEXCH.rsandh.com> References: <3A9AA700D6772149A2147975CE285BD802073E8848@RSHJAXEXCH.rsandh.com> Message-ID: <4B9526C8.4060202@airmail.net> Poor road head etiquette? Jones, Bradley wrote: > I replaced the shifter console piece about 5 years ago and it lasted until now. I only used water to clean it. I have another I can install, but I am now hesitant to do so. > Does anyone know what causes these parts to deteriorate and become sticky? Is there a way to save them? > > > '94 TT , 6 spd, bpu, 43k > Bradley > > > Bradley Jones > Senior Traffic Operations Designer > 1715 N. Westshore Blvd., Suite 500 > Tampa, FL 33607-3999 > Phone: 813-636-2667 / Fax: 813-289-0263 > www.rsandh.com > [cid:imagea0d1fd.gif@d0228738.8c1d4658]__________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From rsonrson at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 12:49:07 2010 From: rsonrson at hotmail.com (Rich S) Date: Mon Mar 8 12:49:23 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> References: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> Message-ID: Hey fellow MKIV owners, I just tried starting my Supra after not driving it for about 4-5 months. It wants to start and the battery is good, checked voltage under load and with no load. The starter sounds healthy and wants to start the car but it won't just turn over. I checked the fuses too and am clueless as what else it could be. Anyone have any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem without having to tow it to the dealer? Thanks! Rich _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From ozimmer at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 13:27:07 2010 From: ozimmer at gmail.com (Oolan Zimmer) Date: Mon Mar 8 13:27:24 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: References: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> Message-ID: <4B954F8B.3080109@gmail.com> My not turn over, do you mean it doesn't crank? Do you hear a click when you try? When you try, does voltage at the battery terminals drop? If not, look at something like the clutch switch or an alarm system (that prevents the starter from engaging). Are you sure that the battery is good? If the car does crank, then look at fuel and spark. Most likely, one or the other is disabled by something. Do you have an immobilizer that disables either one? After you crank, remove a spark plug. Is it wet? Attach a scan tool. Any codes? Like missing cam position sensor signal or igniter return signal? Oolan Rich S wrote: > Hey fellow MKIV owners, > > I just tried starting my Supra after not driving it for about 4-5 months. It wants to start and the battery is good, checked voltage under load and with no load. The starter sounds healthy and wants to start the car but it won't just turn over. I checked the fuses too and am clueless as what else it could be. Anyone have any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem without having to tow it to the dealer? > > Thanks! > > Rich > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From bobachris at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 13:50:35 2010 From: bobachris at gmail.com (Chris Bobadilla) Date: Mon Mar 8 13:50:55 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: <4B954F8B.3080109@gmail.com> References: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> <4B954F8B.3080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also is the fuel in the tank the same fuel that's been sitting 4-5 months or did you put fresh fuel in it? If it's been sitting 4-5 months you most likely also have stale fuel. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Oolan Zimmer wrote: > My not turn over, do you mean it doesn't crank? Do you hear a click > when you try? > > When you try, does voltage at the battery terminals drop? If not, look > at something like the clutch switch or an alarm system (that prevents > the starter from engaging). > > Are you sure that the battery is good? > > If the car does crank, then look at fuel and spark. Most likely, one or > the other is disabled by something. Do you have an immobilizer that > disables either one? After you crank, remove a spark plug. Is it wet? > > Attach a scan tool. Any codes? Like missing cam position sensor signal > or igniter return signal? > > Oolan > > > Rich S wrote: > > Hey fellow MKIV owners, > > > > I just tried starting my Supra after not driving it for about 4-5 months. > It wants to start and the battery is good, checked voltage under load and > with no load. The starter sounds healthy and wants to start the car but it > won't just turn over. I checked the fuses too and am clueless as what else > it could be. Anyone have any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem > without having to tow it to the dealer? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rich > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From ikenigsberg at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 16:15:28 2010 From: ikenigsberg at yahoo.com (irwin kenigsberg) Date: Mon Mar 8 16:15:41 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <323611.64074.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Did you put Stabil in the gas? Maybe the gas went bad. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Rich S wrote: From: Rich S Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: mkiv@mkiv.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 1:49 PM Hey fellow MKIV owners, I just tried starting my Supra after not driving it for about 4-5 months. It wants to start and the battery is good, checked voltage under load and with no load. The starter sounds healthy and wants to start the car but it won't just turn over. I checked the fuses too and am clueless as what else it could be. Anyone have any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem without having to tow it to the dealer? Thanks! Rich ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From andi at airmail.net Mon Mar 8 17:35:42 2010 From: andi at airmail.net (Andi Baritchi) Date: Mon Mar 8 17:36:00 2010 Subject: [mkiv] kinda OT: beautiful pwnage Message-ID: <4B9589CE.2070204@airmail.net> http://jalopnik.com/5488464/the-mechanics-of-abc-news-unintended-toyota-acceleration-hoax common sense finally prevails From inov8tn at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 18:15:31 2010 From: inov8tn at gmail.com (Bill Lawry) Date: Mon Mar 8 18:15:43 2010 Subject: [mkiv] kinda OT: beautiful pwnage In-Reply-To: <4B9589CE.2070204@airmail.net> References: <4B9589CE.2070204@airmail.net> Message-ID: <715b3dd71003081615i7aaa5b38ge3cef3f14cb3aed3@mail.gmail.com> Wow! I hope Toyota goes after ABC with a vengence. On 3/8/10, Andi Baritchi wrote: > http://jalopnik.com/5488464/the-mechanics-of-abc-news-unintended-toyota-acceleration-hoax > > common sense finally prevails > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- Sent from my mobile device From suprarossa at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 20:26:40 2010 From: suprarossa at gmail.com (Greg Altig) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:27:03 2010 Subject: [mkiv] kinda OT: beautiful pwnage In-Reply-To: <4B9589CE.2070204@airmail.net> References: <4B9589CE.2070204@airmail.net> Message-ID: <20b630f81003081826i27a68302t853cf8193fe6d461@mail.gmail.com> Nice! Thanks for the post! On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Andi Baritchi wrote: > > http://jalopnik.com/5488464/the-mechanics-of-abc-news-unintended-toyota-acceleration-hoax > > common sense finally prevails > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." From suprarossa at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 20:34:36 2010 From: suprarossa at gmail.com (Greg Altig) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:34:45 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Message-ID: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed parts have been ordered from Jeff -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." From jza80-alfvza at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 8 23:49:22 2010 From: jza80-alfvza at sbcglobal.net (lance) Date: Mon Mar 8 23:49:39 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question In-Reply-To: <8B5CCBC4E4934B84B81D94FA5FC74DCE@ErvenPC> References: <497113.38232.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com><86E1BBAFCE044DB1A7951FE7ED8549A9@Wolrab.local><288719.28633.qm@web57908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8B5CCBC4E4934B84B81D94FA5FC74DCE@ErvenPC> Message-ID: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18870734 He took me around Roebling Road a few times in his GT3. He was one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. Karen spent most of Saturday talking with him while I was out on track - we were pitted next to each other in the paddock. It was a freak accident and a real tragedy. lance '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of Erven Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:12 PM To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question sorry to hear that Lance . What happen? -------------------------------------------------- From: "lance" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:29 PM To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > You don't own a Supra do you Roscoe? > > Why are you here? > > You picked a really bad time to pipe up and be a badass. A good friend of > mine died at the track today riding right seat and I really don't have > time > for your incoherent BS. > > Lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > BTW, my dad is 70 years old. He types a lot better than you do and likely > has forgot more than you've known. I'll ask him if I want to know how it > was done right in the 50's, 60's, and 70's because I know he can > coherently > communicate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of rw > fields > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:26 AM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Cc: AFOOTS > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > hove no idea what A spam progammer is, but doubt if you could find it in > the > can at the store. > seems you know about as much about spam as you do about motor or track > , vehicles > I served a portion of my time in the best fortknox could produce > for some reason they had classes on brake fluid antifreeze, etal > I did mechanic work to support my habits like eating and getting arround, > I > had no idea what I was doing to fix motors and vehicles untill I went > through the skools, and as far as I know they had no idea what a spammer > was either . Too bad they didn't have you arround back then > > If you didn't want informatiion posted on your sit you could have very > easily made it so noone could post but you, then only things you thouth > worth saying or hearing would be posted . > but no, seems you want to be the big bad wolf so you can howl at the world > and ban anyone that might know a little bit about the subject matter, that > might have atendency to effect your truths or miths > I've lived for seventy six years without ever hearing of a/the basterd > like > you, so I probably can live the rest banned from your presious little > website without any problems. roscoe william fields Sr., yeah there is > at least two of us in the world. so be ware with your blocker > surly you'er hot a national horses ass? ? > Blog posts about national2 > Michelle Malkin > National security flip-flop: Obama to retreat on ... - > Michelle Malkin - 3 hours ago > Schneier on Security: Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative - > Schneier on Security - 13 hours ago > National Grammar Day 2010: Resources And The WORST Grammar ... - > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: lance > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 12:58:13 AM > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > Interesting. Sounds like a spam programmer is testing his work on our > list. > It's been awhile since I've suggested this, but I say BAN. In a big way. > > Lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of rw > fields > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 3:02 PM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > use to get a bargin on fluid by the gallon, heavy duty seems to not leak > as > easily > think brake fluid, is brake fluid, is brake fluid, alchol and castor oil > mostly > meneral now probably, cheaper maybe > remember those old drunks that drank brake fluid, and seeems, shoe > polish?? > I'v known a couple in gray ga. town drunks so to speak > one was a drunk because of a woman, when her husband died he streighten up > bought a garage and did well. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: lance > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 1:46:55 PM > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > That'll be plenty. I've been using Brembo LCF recently. It works really > well for track days in the IS-F. > > Lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > Gary > Bechtold > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:34 PM > To: MKIV Supra List > Subject: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > How many 500ml bottles should I buy to a full brake fluid flush > front/rear? I'm looking at getting two bottles of Motul RBF 600. Thanks. > > -Gary Bechtold > 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From myothersupra at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 06:02:07 2010 From: myothersupra at yahoo.com (Thomas Bradley) Date: Tue Mar 9 06:02:23 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: <323611.64074.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <172969.61693.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> There shouldn't be any need to tow it to a dealer if it was running fine when you parked it. Some basic troubleshooting/diagnostic steps and a little wrenching should be all you need. ? As much as I hated to do it, my Supra sat untouched with a grenaded stock torsen lsd for about?11 months for a combination of budget and backordered parts reasons with about 1/8th tank of gas and no?fuel stabalizer in the tank and the battery went totally dead,?and other than finally needing an ECU reset to get it to idle with a freshly charged battery?it cranked?over?normally when I turned the key and?fired up after about 5 spins but stalled quickly with my lightweight flywheel?and would restart instantly?every time I turned the key but it?didn't want to idle although it?would stay running smoothly at about 900rpm's as long as I kept my foot on the throttle 'till I finally let it stall again? for the 5th or 6th time then I pulled the fuses to reset the ecu, restarted the car and all was fine again with a perfect idle on its' own as always.?? So in such a short period that he?left it sitting?I doubt his fuel is keeping it from starting unless maybe it was race gas and/or he's running a standalone ecu or something like that. ? If I understood what he wrote, he says the starter is trying but the engine?doesn't turn over which initially makes me suspicious of the connections for the positive battery cable that runs between the battery terminal and the starter itself.? Assuming that the solenoid makes the usual loud "clack" when you turn the key but the engine doesn't even try to spin over, then that's where I'd start for troubleshooting.? My 93TT auto did that a couple times while I had it due to cheap crappy aftermarket terminals the previous owner installed for his custom stereo stuff.? If you don't even get the solenoid clack when you turn the key to "start" then something else isn't right or the stock security system thinks it was tripped and is doing the starter kill for some reason. If you get the clack but the engine doesn't crank then that power cable's connections may be oxidized or the solenoid contacts may be worn down depending on mileage.? Beyond that, can you put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand with a good bit of resistance while the plugs are in?? Just be careful not to force it quickly as it "can" kick back and hurt you if you're not careful. ? Hope that helps at least get you started... Thomas myothersupra -------------- 98TT 6-Speed MkIV 93TT Auto MkIV (SOLD) 92T Auto MkIII 88 5-Speed MkIII 84 5-Speed MkII P-Type 81 5-Speed MkI 01 E-Shift IS300 01 5-Speed ZRX-1200R --- On Mon, 3/8/10, irwin kenigsberg wrote: From: irwin kenigsberg Subject: Re: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 4:15 PM Did you put Stabil in the gas? Maybe the gas went bad. --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Rich S wrote: From: Rich S Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: mkiv@mkiv.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 1:49 PM Hey fellow MKIV owners, I just tried starting my Supra after not driving it for about 4-5 months. It wants to start and the battery is good, checked voltage under load and with no load. The starter sounds healthy and wants to start the car but it won't just turn over. I checked the fuses too and am clueless as what else it could be. Anyone have any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem without having to tow it to the dealer? Thanks! Rich ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From maguirre at imowitz.com Tue Mar 9 08:38:30 2010 From: maguirre at imowitz.com (Marcelo Aguirre) Date: Tue Mar 9 08:41:29 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> References: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C7151FD@ikex01.ikdom.com> The bumper has small bumps where your friend will drill very gently to install the license plate bracket. You can feel them if you pass your hand through the bumper. I've read that it's best to remove the bumper to make sure the drill is precise. I don't think anyone does it this way. Marcelo 97TT, 6spd1 -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of Greg Altig Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 PM To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed parts have been ordered from Jeff -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _________________________________________________ Scanned on 09 Mar 2010 02:40:42 Scanned by Erado Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. From triffid_98 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 09:08:56 2010 From: triffid_98 at yahoo.com (David Regan) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:09:30 2010 Subject: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces In-Reply-To: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> Message-ID: <255217.73324.qm@web54409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think you'd need to be dating a contortionist for that to even be possible. Are you talking about the plastic cover? I have some minor deterioration on mine where bits of the gloss finish have delaminated, but I've never heard of plastic becoming sticky. It cracks, it fades, it wears, and I suppose it could become sticky if you poured acetone all over it, but that seems rather unlikely. If this is the shifter boot itself, it's leather, so use some oil. David 93'TT > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:33:12 -0600 > From: Andi Baritchi > Subject: Re: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: <4B9526C8.4060202@airmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Poor road head etiquette? > > Jones, Bradley wrote: > > I replaced the shifter console piece about 5 years ago > and it lasted until now. I only used water to clean it. I > have another I can install, but I am now hesitant to do so. > > Does anyone know what causes these parts to > deteriorate and become sticky? Is there a way to save them? > > > > > > '94 TT , 6 spd, bpu, 43k > > Bradley > > From montegobay1 at comcast.net Tue Mar 9 10:20:35 2010 From: montegobay1 at comcast.net (Erven) Date: Tue Mar 9 10:21:02 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question References: <497113.38232.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com><86E1BBAFCE044DB1A7951FE7ED8549A9@Wolrab.local><288719.28633.qm@web57908.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8B5CCBC4E4934B84B81D94FA5FC74DCE@ErvenPC> Message-ID: Lance my prayers to his family. Reading some of those post heart,that's one of the reasons I don't go on forums that much anymore too many redric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance" To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18870734 > > He took me around Roebling Road a few times in his GT3. He was one of the > nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. Karen spent most of Saturday talking > with him while I was out on track - we were pitted next to each other in > the > paddock. It was a freak accident and a real tragedy. > > lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > Erven > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:12 PM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > > sorry to hear that Lance . What happen? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "lance" > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:29 PM > To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question > >> You don't own a Supra do you Roscoe? >> >> Why are you here? >> >> You picked a really bad time to pipe up and be a badass. A good friend >> of >> mine died at the track today riding right seat and I really don't have >> time >> for your incoherent BS. >> >> Lance >> '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe >> >> BTW, my dad is 70 years old. He types a lot better than you do and >> likely >> has forgot more than you've known. I'll ask him if I want to know how it >> was done right in the 50's, 60's, and 70's because I know he can >> coherently >> communicate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of >> rw >> fields >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:26 AM >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Cc: AFOOTS >> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question >> >> hove no idea what A spam progammer is, but doubt if you could find it in >> the >> can at the store. >> seems you know about as much about spam as you do about motor or track >> , vehicles >> I served a portion of my time in the best fortknox could produce >> for some reason they had classes on brake fluid antifreeze, etal >> I did mechanic work to support my habits like eating and getting arround, >> I >> had no idea what I was doing to fix motors and vehicles untill I went >> through the skools, and as far as I know they had no idea what a spammer >> was either . Too bad they didn't have you arround back then >> >> If you didn't want informatiion posted on your sit you could have very >> easily made it so noone could post but you, then only things you thouth >> worth saying or hearing would be posted . >> but no, seems you want to be the big bad wolf so you can howl at the >> world >> and ban anyone that might know a little bit about the subject matter, >> that >> might have atendency to effect your truths or miths >> I've lived for seventy six years without ever hearing of a/the basterd >> like >> you, so I probably can live the rest banned from your presious little >> website without any problems. roscoe william fields Sr., yeah there >> is >> at least two of us in the world. so be ware with your blocker >> surly you'er hot a national horses ass? ? >> Blog posts about national2 >> Michelle Malkin > National security flip-flop: Obama to retreat on ... - >> Michelle Malkin - 3 hours ago >> Schneier on Security: Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative - >> Schneier on Security - 13 hours ago >> National Grammar Day 2010: Resources And The WORST Grammar ... - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: lance >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 12:58:13 AM >> Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question >> >> Interesting. Sounds like a spam programmer is testing his work on our >> list. >> It's been awhile since I've suggested this, but I say BAN. In a big way. >> >> Lance >> '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of >> rw >> fields >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 3:02 PM >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question >> >> use to get a bargin on fluid by the gallon, heavy duty seems to not leak >> as >> easily >> think brake fluid, is brake fluid, is brake fluid, alchol and castor oil >> mostly >> meneral now probably, cheaper maybe >> remember those old drunks that drank brake fluid, and seeems, shoe >> polish?? >> I'v known a couple in gray ga. town drunks so to speak >> one was a drunk because of a woman, when her husband died he streighten >> up >> bought a garage and did well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: lance >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 1:46:55 PM >> Subject: RE: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question >> >> That'll be plenty. I've been using Brembo LCF recently. It works really >> well for track days in the IS-F. >> >> Lance >> '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of >> Gary >> Bechtold >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:34 PM >> To: MKIV Supra List >> Subject: [mkiv] Brake Fluid Question >> >> How many 500ml bottles should I buy to a full brake fluid flush >> front/rear? I'm looking at getting two bottles of Motul RBF 600. >> Thanks. >> >> -Gary Bechtold >> 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From rsonrson at hotmail.com Tue Mar 9 15:43:59 2010 From: rsonrson at hotmail.com (Rich S) Date: Tue Mar 9 15:46:10 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: <201003091800.o29I04T5006203@mkiv.com> References: <201003091800.o29I04T5006203@mkiv.com> Message-ID: To the mailing list, thank you so far for your input. The battery is good, I checked the voltage under load and when not under load. I checked all the fuses and they were good, I even disconnected the battery for several minutes and tried again. There is no corrosion on the terminals and the gas can't possibly be bad, it's only been a few months and I left the car stored with almost 3/4 tank full. So this is exactly what happens when I try to start the car.....I turn the key to the on position, all lights come on, no codes, no check engine light, I start the car and it's cranking, but the engine doesn't fire. I try this several times and quit since I don't want to fry the starter or the battery. I've even tried jumping it without thinking to check battery voltage with no success. Does the starter solenoid have to make that loud clack? What is the solenoid do when it makes that noise? I will have to check for that tonight. The car has 36k miles and is a '94 with no mods. I'll report back after my next set of diagnosis. Any other troubleshooting ideas would be of great help. Anyone located in LA/OC area? Message: 10 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 04:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Bradley Subject: Re: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Message-ID: <172969.61693.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There shouldn't be any need to tow it to a dealer if it was running fine when you parked it. Some basic troubleshooting/diagnostic steps and a little wrenching should be all you need. As much as I hated to do it, my Supra sat untouched with a grenaded stock torsen lsd for about 11 months for a combination of budget and backordered parts reasons with about 1/8th tank of gas and no fuel stabalizer in the tank and the battery went totally dead, and other than finally needing an ECU reset to get it to idle with a freshly charged battery it cranked over normally when I turned the key and fired up after about 5 spins but stalled quickly with my lightweight flywheel and would restart instantly every time I turned the key but it didn't want to idle although it would stay running smoothly at about 900rpm's as long as I kept my foot on the throttle 'till I finally let it stall again for the 5th or 6th time then I pulled the fuses to reset the ecu, restarted the car and all was fine again with a perfect idle on its' own as always. So in such a short period that he left it sitting I doubt his fuel is keeping it from starting unless maybe it was race gas and/or he's running a standalone ecu or something like that. If I understood what he wrote, he says the starter is trying but the engine doesn't turn over which initially makes me suspicious of the connections for the positive battery cable that runs between the battery terminal and the starter itself. Assuming that the solenoid makes the usual loud "clack" when you turn the key but the engine doesn't even try to spin over, then that's where I'd start for troubleshooting. My 93TT auto did that a couple times while I had it due to cheap crappy aftermarket terminals the previous owner installed for his custom stereo stuff. If you don't even get the solenoid clack when you turn the key to "start" then something else isn't right or the stock security system thinks it was tripped and is doing the starter kill for some reason. If you get the clack but the engine doesn't crank then that power cable's connections may be oxidized or the solenoid contacts may be worn down depending on mileage. Beyond that, can you put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand with a good bit of resistance while the plugs are in? Just be careful not to force it quickly as it "can" kick back and hurt you if you're not careful. Hope that helps at least get you started... Thomas myothersupra -------------- 98TT 6-Speed MkIV 93TT Auto MkIV (SOLD) 92T Auto MkIII 88 5-Speed MkIII 84 5-Speed MkII P-Type 81 5-Speed MkI 01 E-Shift IS300 01 5-Speed ZRX-1200R _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ From bobachris at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 16:04:31 2010 From: bobachris at gmail.com (Chris Bobadilla) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:04:40 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: References: <201003091800.o29I04T5006203@mkiv.com> Message-ID: Have you checked the spark plugs to see if they're fouled? Pull some plugs and see if there is wet/dry fouling, deposits, abnormal erosion, etc. Might just need to change them out. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Rich S wrote: > > To the mailing list, thank you so far for your input. The battery is good, > I checked the voltage under load and when not under load. I checked all the > fuses and they were good, I even disconnected the battery for several > minutes and tried again. There is no corrosion on the terminals and the gas > can't possibly be bad, it's only been a few months and I left the car stored > with almost 3/4 tank full. > > > > So this is exactly what happens when I try to start the car.....I turn the > key to the on position, all lights come on, no codes, no check engine light, > I start the car and it's cranking, but the engine doesn't fire. I try this > several times and quit since I don't want to fry the starter or the battery. > I've even tried jumping it without thinking to check battery voltage with no > success. Does the starter solenoid have to make that loud clack? What is the > solenoid do when it makes that noise? I will have to check for that tonight. > The car has 36k miles and is a '94 with no mods. I'll report back after my > next set of diagnosis. Any other troubleshooting ideas would be of great > help. Anyone located in LA/OC area? > > > > > > > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 04:02:07 -0800 (PST) > From: Thomas Bradley > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: <172969.61693.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > There shouldn't be any need to tow it to a dealer if it was running fine > when you parked it. > Some basic troubleshooting/diagnostic steps and a little wrenching should > be all you need. > > As much as I hated to do it, my Supra sat untouched with a grenaded stock > torsen lsd for about 11 months for a combination of budget and backordered > parts reasons with about 1/8th tank of gas and no fuel stabalizer in the > tank and the battery went totally dead, and other than finally needing an > ECU reset to get it to idle with a freshly charged battery it cranked over > normally when I turned the key and fired up after about 5 spins but stalled > quickly with my lightweight flywheel and would restart instantly every time > I turned the key but it didn't want to idle although it would stay running > smoothly at about 900rpm's as long as I kept my foot on the throttle 'till I > finally let it stall again for the 5th or 6th time then I pulled the fuses > to reset the ecu, restarted the car and all was fine again with a perfect > idle on its' own as always. > So in such a short period that he left it sitting I doubt his fuel is > keeping it from starting unless maybe it was race gas and/or he's running a > standalone ecu or something like that. > > If I understood what he wrote, he says the starter is trying but the engine > doesn't turn over which initially makes me suspicious of the connections for > the positive battery cable that runs between the battery terminal and the > starter itself. Assuming that the solenoid makes the usual loud "clack" > when you turn the key but the engine doesn't even try to spin over, then > that's where I'd start for troubleshooting. My 93TT auto did that a couple > times while I had it due to cheap crappy aftermarket terminals the previous > owner installed for his custom stereo stuff. If you don't even get the > solenoid clack when you turn the key to "start" then something else isn't > right or the stock security system thinks it was tripped and is doing the > starter kill for some reason. If you get the clack but the engine doesn't > crank then that power cable's connections may be oxidized or the solenoid > contacts may be worn down depending on mileage. Beyond that, can you > put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand with > a good bit of resistance while the plugs are in? Just be careful not to > force it quickly as it "can" kick back and hurt you if you're not careful. > > Hope that helps at least get you started... > > > Thomas > myothersupra > -------------- > 98TT 6-Speed MkIV > 93TT Auto MkIV (SOLD) > 92T Auto MkIII > 88 5-Speed MkIII > 84 5-Speed MkII P-Type > 81 5-Speed MkI > 01 E-Shift IS300 > 01 5-Speed ZRX-1200R > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From ikenigsberg at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 16:30:24 2010 From: ikenigsberg at yahoo.com (irwin kenigsberg) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:30:40 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259640.87689.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> You may not be getting current to the spark plugs or the fuel pump is not sending fuel to the injectors. If you are?cranking the solinoid is working and so is the starter. It has to be ignition or fuel supply. --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Rich S wrote: From: Rich S Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: mkiv@mkiv.com Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 4:43 PM To the mailing list, thank you so far for your input. The battery is good, I checked the voltage under load and when not under load. I checked all the fuses and they were good, I even disconnected the battery for several minutes and tried again. There is no corrosion on the terminals and the gas can't possibly be bad, it's only been a few months and I left the car stored with almost 3/4 tank full. So this is exactly what happens when I try to start the car.....I turn the key to the on position, all lights come on, no codes, no check engine light, I start the car and it's cranking, but the engine doesn't fire. I try this several times and quit since I don't want to fry the starter or the battery. I've even tried jumping it without thinking to check battery voltage with no success. Does the starter solenoid have to make that loud clack? What is the solenoid do when it makes that noise? I will have to check for that tonight. The car has 36k miles and is a '94 with no mods. I'll report back after my next set of diagnosis. Any other troubleshooting ideas would be of great help. Anyone located in LA/OC area? Message: 10 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 04:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Bradley Subject: Re: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Message-ID: <172969.61693.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There shouldn't be any need to tow it to a dealer if it was running fine when you parked it. Some basic troubleshooting/diagnostic steps and a little wrenching should be all you need. As much as I hated to do it, my Supra sat untouched with a grenaded stock torsen lsd for about 11 months for a combination of budget and backordered parts reasons with about 1/8th tank of gas and no fuel stabalizer in the tank and the battery went totally dead, and other than finally needing an ECU reset to get it to idle with a freshly charged battery it cranked over normally when I turned the key and fired up after about 5 spins but stalled quickly with my lightweight flywheel and would restart instantly every time I turned the key but it didn't want to idle although it would stay running smoothly at about 900rpm's as long as I kept my foot on the throttle 'till I finally let it stall again? for the 5th or 6th time then I pulled the fuses to reset the ecu, restarted the car and all was fine again with a perfect idle on its' own as always.? So in such a short period that he left it sitting I doubt his fuel is keeping it from starting unless maybe it was race gas and/or he's running a standalone ecu or something like that. If I understood what he wrote, he says the starter is trying but the engine doesn't turn over which initially makes me suspicious of the connections for the positive battery cable that runs between the battery terminal and the starter itself.? Assuming that the solenoid makes the usual loud "clack" when you turn the key but the engine doesn't even try to spin over, then that's where I'd start for troubleshooting.? My 93TT auto did that a couple times while I had it due to cheap crappy aftermarket terminals the previous owner installed for his custom stereo stuff.? If you don't even get the solenoid clack when you turn the key to "start" then something else isn't right or the stock security system thinks it was tripped and is doing the starter kill for some reason. If you get the clack but the engine doesn't crank then that power cable's connections may be oxidized or the solenoid contacts may be worn down depending on mileage.? Beyond that, can you put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand with a good bit of resistance while the plugs are in?? Just be careful not to force it quickly as it "can" kick back and hurt you if you're not careful. Hope that helps at least get you started... Thomas myothersupra -------------- 98TT 6-Speed MkIV 93TT Auto MkIV (SOLD) 92T Auto MkIII 88 5-Speed MkIII 84 5-Speed MkII P-Type 81 5-Speed MkI 01 E-Shift IS300 01 5-Speed ZRX-1200R ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From bobgash at comcast.net Tue Mar 9 16:51:03 2010 From: bobgash at comcast.net (Bob Gash) Date: Tue Mar 9 16:51:40 2010 Subject: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces In-Reply-To: <255217.73324.qm@web54409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201003081800.o28I03VX009197@mkiv.com> <255217.73324.qm@web54409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cabfda$ff76c530$fe644f90$@net> This is actually a common phenomenon in Supras and other cars. In my case ('93 TT), I replaced the most defective console component a number of years ago, and had no problems since. [The replacement part appears to be hard plastic, and not have the same "coating" as original. Also, I very seldom leave the car in sun/heat - I assume that has an effect - see below.] I have a friend in Atlanta who recently bought an older IS - many of the dash/console components had deteriorated to that same "sticky" condition. To save $$, he refinished instead of replaced. Doesn't look as good as new, but was an inexpensive alternative. He worked a number of years in a Toyota dealer's parts department. Said the only cause he ever heard was sun & heat, but couldn't say for sure. I've seen the same effect in video cameras, binoculars, etc... Definitely a pain... BobG. -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of David Regan Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:09 AM To: mkiv@mkiv.com Subject: re: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces I think you'd need to be dating a contortionist for that to even be possible. Are you talking about the plastic cover? I have some minor deterioration on mine where bits of the gloss finish have delaminated, but I've never heard of plastic becoming sticky. It cracks, it fades, it wears, and I suppose it could become sticky if you poured acetone all over it, but that seems rather unlikely. If this is the shifter boot itself, it's leather, so use some oil. David 93'TT > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:33:12 -0600 > From: Andi Baritchi > Subject: Re: [mkiv] sticky interior pieces > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: <4B9526C8.4060202@airmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Poor road head etiquette? > > Jones, Bradley wrote: > > I replaced the shifter console piece about 5 years ago > and it lasted until now. I only used water to clean it. I > have another I can install, but I am now hesitant to do so. > > Does anyone know what causes these parts to > deteriorate and become sticky? Is there a way to save them? > > > > > > '94 TT , 6 spd, bpu, 43k > > Bradley > > _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From myothersupra at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 20:01:46 2010 From: myothersupra at yahoo.com (T. Bradley) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:02:13 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting Message-ID: <5ZGjkrHjyJvF.R7bSX3wY@smtp.mobile.mail.yahoo.com> The solenoid clack isn't noticeable if the engine does crank and now you say it does crank but it just doesn't fire up, so don't worry about the clack. Two things to try... First put the diagnostic jumper in the proper terminals to check for codes (I forget the labelling on the obd-1 Supras) and that'll probably either give you some direction or at least verify that the efi fuses are good and the ecu is getting power or not. Second, pull out both efi fuses for a minute or two then put 'em back in and see if it makes any difference. Pull the fuses only AFTER checking for stored codes as pulling the fuses will erase stored codes. Note that you CAN have tripped codes stored and NOT have a check engine light on. Hope that helps... Thomas myothersupra Sent from my Nokia E71 -original message- Subject: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting From: Rich S Date: 03/09/2010 3:46 PM To the mailing list, thank you so far for your input. The battery is good, I checked the voltage under load and when not under load. I checked all the fuses and they were good, I even disconnected the battery for several minutes and tried again. There is no corrosion on the terminals and the gas can't possibly be bad, it's only been a few months and I left the car stored with almost 3/4 tank full. So this is exactly what happens when I try to start the car.....I turn the key to the on position, all lights come on, no codes, no check engine light, I start the car and it's cranking, but the engine doesn't fire. I try this several times and quit since I don't want to fry the starter or the battery. I've even tried jumping it without thinking to check battery voltage with no success. Does the starter solenoid have to make that loud clack? What is the solenoid do when it makes that noise? I will have to check for that tonight. The car has 36k miles and is a '94 with no mods. I'll report back after my next set of diagnosis. Any other troubleshooting ideas would be of great help. Anyone located in LA/OC area? Message: 10 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 04:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Bradley Subject: Re: [mkiv] Supra Not Starting To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Message-ID: <172969.61693.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There shouldn't be any need to tow it to a dealer if it was running fine when you parked it. Some basic troubleshooting/diagnostic steps and a little wrenching should be all you need. As much as I hated to do it, my Supra sat untouched with a grenaded stock torsen lsd for about 11 months for a combination of budget and backordered parts reasons with about 1/8th tank of gas and no fuel stabalizer in the tank and the battery went totally dead, and other than finally needing an ECU reset to get it to idle with a freshly charged battery it cranked over normally when I turned the key and fired up after about 5 spins but stalled quickly with my lightweight flywheel and would restart instantly every time I turned the key but it didn't want to idle although it would stay running smoothly at about 900rpm's as long as I kept my foot on the throttle 'till I finally let it stall again for the 5th or 6th time then I pulled the fuses to reset the ecu, restarted the car and all was fine again with a perfect idle on its' own as always. So in such a short period that he left it sitting I doubt his fuel is keeping it from starting unless maybe it was race gas and/or he's running a standalone ecu or something like that. If I understood what he wrote, he says the starter is trying but the engine doesn't turn over which initially makes me suspicious of the connections for the positive battery cable that runs between the battery terminal and the starter itself. Assuming that the solenoid makes the usual loud "clack" when you turn the key but the engine doesn't even try to spin over, then that's where I'd start for troubleshooting. My 93TT auto did that a couple times while I had it due to cheap crappy aftermarket terminals the previous owner installed for his custom stereo stuff. If you don't even get the solenoid clack when you turn the key to "start" then something else isn't right or the stock security system thinks it was tripped and is doing the starter kill for some reason. If you get the clack but the engine doesn't crank then that power cable's connections may be oxidized or the solenoid contacts may be worn down depending on mileage. Beyond that, can you put a wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand with a good bit of resistance while the plugs are in? Just be careful not to force it quickly as it "can" kick back and hurt you if you're not careful. Hope that helps at least get you started... Thomas myothersupra -------------- 98TT 6-Speed MkIV 93TT Auto MkIV (SOLD) 92T Auto MkIII 88 5-Speed MkIII 84 5-Speed MkII P-Type 81 5-Speed MkI 01 E-Shift IS300 01 5-Speed ZRX-1200R _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From trende at comcast.net Tue Mar 9 20:15:56 2010 From: trende at comcast.net (trende@comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:16:15 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1340493709.14037761268187356649.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone has a better approach, please let me know). But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the plastic that I can't plug or hide without some?body work. So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws you can to actually?hold the plates. If your circumstances change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have done any additional damage to the car. Enjoy! Tony Rende '94 TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Altig" To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed parts have been ordered from Jeff -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From ikenigsberg at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 21:45:08 2010 From: ikenigsberg at yahoo.com (irwin kenigsberg) Date: Tue Mar 9 21:45:47 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <1340493709.14037761268187356649.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <508102.739.qm@web56203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Try www.Bumperplugs.com ?they have plugs that will match your car color. --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: From: trende@comcast.net Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone has a better approach, please let me know). But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the plastic that I can't plug or hide without some?body work. So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws you can to actually?hold the plates. If your circumstances change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have done any additional damage to the car. Enjoy! Tony Rende '94 TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Altig" To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed parts have been ordered from Jeff -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From suprasmurfy at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 17:08:09 2010 From: suprasmurfy at hotmail.com (T. Gillis) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:08:48 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice Message-ID: Hi, I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate input/advice from y'all. I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm trying to educate myself as much as possible. I have a mkii that I love & will keep forever, but it's time to get her a more powerful sibling ;-) What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT automatic in pristine, never modified condition with under 40,000 miles? I know KBB & Edmunds pricing is too low, and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me. BTW, I'm in the SE U.S., but I'll have the car shipped to me if necessary. Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from you. T.J. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From inov8tn at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 17:49:08 2010 From: inov8tn at gmail.com (Bill Lawry) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:49:16 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <715b3dd71003101549p16d05ect1fccbacfa72fd6d9@mail.gmail.com> Any particular reason you are looking for AT? What have you found so far? On 3/10/10, T. Gillis wrote: > > Hi, > I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate input/advice > from y'all. I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm trying to educate > myself > as much as possible. I have a mkii that I love & will keep forever, but > it's time to > get her a more powerful sibling ;-) > What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT automatic in pristine, > never modified > condition with under 40,000 miles? I know KBB & Edmunds pricing is too low, > and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me. BTW, I'm in the SE U.S., > but I'll have the > car shipped to me if necessary. > Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from you. > T.J. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- Sent from my mobile device From trende at comcast.net Wed Mar 10 22:34:27 2010 From: trende at comcast.net (trende@comcast.net) Date: Wed Mar 10 22:34:45 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <508102.739.qm@web56203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "irwin kenigsberg" To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Try www.Bumperplugs.com ?they have plugs that will match your car color. --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: From: trende@comcast.net Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone has a better approach, please let me know). But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the plastic that I can't plug or hide without some?body work. So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws you can to actually?hold the plates. If your circumstances change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have done any additional damage to the car. Enjoy! Tony Rende '94 TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Altig" To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed parts have been ordered from Jeff -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From johnacribb at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 00:09:42 2010 From: johnacribb at yahoo.com (John Cribb) Date: Thu Mar 11 00:09:53 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't be undone. If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have if you don't run it. John '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: > From: trende@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM > > > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. > > > > Tony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "irwin kenigsberg" > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > Try www.Bumperplugs.com > ?they have plugs that will match your car color. > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net > > wrote: > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM > > > > > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone > has a better approach, please let me know). > > > > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some?body work. > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws > you can to actually?hold the plates. If your circumstances > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have > done any additional damage to the car. > > > > Enjoy! > > Tony Rende > > '94 TT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Altig" > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never > been registered in a > state requiring front license plates. While I love the > virgin front > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so > that I can > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk > III owner who is > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it > inspected before I get > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All > of the needed > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > -- > Greg Altig > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > "MGMS is a disease...." > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From dean.james.swanepoel at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 01:51:15 2010 From: dean.james.swanepoel at gmail.com (Dean Swanepoel) Date: Thu Mar 11 01:52:25 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C7151FD@ikex01.ikdom.com> References: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C7151FD@ikex01.ikdom.com> Message-ID: <4B98A0F3.60609@gmail.com> We also require front & back here in South Africa. After being stopped many times for no front plate I finally relented and installed one, but I just used some strong double sided tape directly onto the number plate, which obviously doesn't need any holes in the bumper. Been 2 years now and still stuck firmly... Dean. Johannesburg, South Africa (1770m ~ 5400ft altitude) 95 JDM Supra RZ, TT, 6sp, White, TRD body kit. - 3 inch exhaust & downpipe - no cats, thermal isolations, coolant bypass - Unichip piggyback fuel & ignition management. - Busy with single T61 & FMIC Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > The bumper has small bumps where your friend will drill very gently to install the license plate bracket. > You can feel them if you pass your hand through the bumper. I've read that it's best to remove the bumper to make sure the drill is precise. I don't think anyone does it this way. > > Marcelo > 97TT, 6spd1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of Greg Altig > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 PM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in a > state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who is > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > -- > Greg Altig > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > "MGMS is a disease...." > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 09 Mar 2010 02:40:42 > Scanned by Erado > > Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. > > This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > From myothersupra at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 18:02:04 2010 From: myothersupra at yahoo.com (T. Bradley) Date: Thu Mar 11 18:02:47 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice Message-ID: That mileage requirement will drive the price up exponentially. The auto tranny will save you a few thousand though as they're typically less desireable/valuable than a 6-Speed. It's been my experience that mileage isn't a big factor on mkiv supras, especially stock ones. You can occasionally find one with about double your mileage requirement in similar overall condition for a lot less money that will be just as nice a car. My first MkIV was a bone stock 1-owner TT Auto that had just rolled to 180K miles on it, I picked it up CHEAP, changed the plugs and oil, then beat on it hard the whole time I had it, found speed cut a few times, commuted 200 miles to work in it several days a week, and it never gave me any issues other than the usual code 42 cold solderr joints that all MkIV's develop eventually and I easily fixed with my soldering iron, plus the starter, tires, and battery were the only other "problems" I ever had with it at all, which just shows how reliable a stock 2JZ can be. I sold it 15 months later with just under 200K on it and still running strong as the day I bought it... It had some daily driver wear but it cleaned up nice, ran great, and was totally reliable too. There are also a LOT of Supras out there being sold as "stock" that were previously modded and it's not always obvious... For a stock twins car it should idle totally smooth and quiet unless something's wrong. If a Supra idles right it's usually healthy engine wise although a compression test never hurts. Thomas myothersupra Sent from my Nokia E71 -original message- Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice From: "T. Gillis" Date: 03/10/2010 5:11 PM Hi, I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate input/advice from y'all. I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm trying to educate myself as much as possible. I have a mkii that I love & will keep forever, but it's time to get her a more powerful sibling ;-) What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT automatic in pristine, never modified condition with under 40,000 miles? I know KBB & Edmunds pricing is too low, and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me. BTW, I'm in the SE U.S., but I'll have the car shipped to me if necessary. Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from you. T.J. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From doc_021 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 07:35:43 2010 From: doc_021 at yahoo.com (andy fichter) Date: Fri Mar 12 07:35:58 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <705612.84140.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mine was sold to me as a stock but then when my friend went to modify it, the wires that the fuel cut defencer needed spliced into were previously tampered with. Showing that upgrades had been done. I really had no idea what the car had been through and how hard it was ran. Carfax reports can't show things like that. Still, the best and most reliable car ever. Maybe besides my '99 4 runner. No it's not the gas peddle sticking, it's just me! Andy '94 tt '99 4Runner SR5 --- On Thu, 3/11/10, T. Bradley wrote: > From: T. Bradley > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Supra buying advice > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:02 PM > That mileage requirement will drive > the price up exponentially.? The auto tranny will save > you a few thousand though as they're typically less > desireable/valuable than a 6-Speed. > It's been my experience that mileage isn't a big factor on > mkiv supras, especially stock ones. You can occasionally > find one with about double your mileage requirement in > similar overall condition for a lot less money that will be > just as nice a car.? > My first MkIV was a bone stock 1-owner TT Auto that had > just rolled to 180K miles on it, I picked it up CHEAP, > changed the plugs and oil, then beat on it hard the whole > time I had it, found speed cut a few times, commuted 200 > miles to work in it several days a week, and it never gave > me any issues other than the usual code 42 cold solderr > joints that all MkIV's develop eventually and I easily fixed > with my soldering iron, plus the starter, tires, and battery > were the only other? "problems" I ever had with it at > all, which just shows how reliable a stock 2JZ can be.? > I sold it 15 months later with just under 200K on it and > still running strong as the day I bought it...? It had > some daily driver wear but it cleaned up nice, ran great, > and was totally reliable too. > > There are also a LOT of Supras out there being sold as > "stock" that were previously modded and it's not always > obvious... > > For a stock twins car it should idle totally smooth and > quiet unless something's wrong.? If a Supra idles right > it's usually healthy engine wise although a compression test > never hurts. > > Thomas > myothersupra > > Sent from my Nokia E71 > > -original message- > Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice > From: "T. Gillis" > Date: 03/10/2010 5:11 PM > > > Hi, > I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate > input/advice > from y'all.? I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm > trying to educate myself > as much as possible.? I have a mkii that I love & > will keep forever, but it's time to > get her a more powerful sibling ;-) > What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT > automatic in pristine, never modified > condition with under 40,000 miles?? I know KBB & > Edmunds pricing is too low, > and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me.? > BTW, I'm in the SE U.S., but I'll have the > car shipped to me if necessary. > Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from > you. > T.J. > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail > Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From inov8tn at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 08:41:52 2010 From: inov8tn at gmail.com (Bill Lawry) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:41:58 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice In-Reply-To: <705612.84140.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <705612.84140.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <715b3dd71003120641t69590653w792e1ff050b69bb1@mail.gmail.com> Almost unbelievably reliable. Yea, Toyota! I read an account that it was tinkering by ABC News that provided most of the juice that has been driving the dust up over the accelerator pedals sticking and thus the recalls. Anyone have more info about that. Coverage seems to have died off. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:35 AM, andy fichter wrote: > Mine was sold to me as a stock but then when my friend went to modify it, > the wires that the fuel cut defencer needed spliced into were previously > tampered with. Showing that upgrades had been done. I really had no idea > what the car had been through and how hard it was ran. Carfax reports can't > show things like that. Still, the best and most reliable car ever. Maybe > besides my '99 4 runner. No it's not the gas peddle sticking, it's just me! > > > Andy > '94 tt > '99 4Runner SR5 > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, T. Bradley wrote: > > > From: T. Bradley > > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Supra buying advice > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:02 PM > > That mileage requirement will drive > > the price up exponentially. The auto tranny will save > > you a few thousand though as they're typically less > > desireable/valuable than a 6-Speed. > > It's been my experience that mileage isn't a big factor on > > mkiv supras, especially stock ones. You can occasionally > > find one with about double your mileage requirement in > > similar overall condition for a lot less money that will be > > just as nice a car. > > My first MkIV was a bone stock 1-owner TT Auto that had > > just rolled to 180K miles on it, I picked it up CHEAP, > > changed the plugs and oil, then beat on it hard the whole > > time I had it, found speed cut a few times, commuted 200 > > miles to work in it several days a week, and it never gave > > me any issues other than the usual code 42 cold solderr > > joints that all MkIV's develop eventually and I easily fixed > > with my soldering iron, plus the starter, tires, and battery > > were the only other "problems" I ever had with it at > > all, which just shows how reliable a stock 2JZ can be. > > I sold it 15 months later with just under 200K on it and > > still running strong as the day I bought it... It had > > some daily driver wear but it cleaned up nice, ran great, > > and was totally reliable too. > > > > There are also a LOT of Supras out there being sold as > > "stock" that were previously modded and it's not always > > obvious... > > > > For a stock twins car it should idle totally smooth and > > quiet unless something's wrong. If a Supra idles right > > it's usually healthy engine wise although a compression test > > never hurts. > > > > Thomas > > myothersupra > > > > Sent from my Nokia E71 > > > > -original message- > > Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice > > From: "T. Gillis" > > Date: 03/10/2010 5:11 PM > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate > > input/advice > > from y'all. I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm > > trying to educate myself > > as much as possible. I have a mkii that I love & > > will keep forever, but it's time to > > get her a more powerful sibling ;-) > > What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT > > automatic in pristine, never modified > > condition with under 40,000 miles? I know KBB & > > Edmunds pricing is too low, > > and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me. > > BTW, I'm in the SE U.S., but I'll have the > > car shipped to me if necessary. > > Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from > > you. > > T.J. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail > > Free. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From maguirre at imowitz.com Fri Mar 12 09:11:34 2010 From: maguirre at imowitz.com (Marcelo Aguirre) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:11:59 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> John, What state is this?? If you don't mind me asking. Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for everything. Marcelo 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of John Cribb Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't be undone. If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have if you don't run it. John '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: > From: trende@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM > > > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. > > > > Tony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "irwin kenigsberg" > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > Try www.Bumperplugs.com > they have plugs that will match your car color. > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net > > wrote: > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM > > > > > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone > has a better approach, please let me know). > > > > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body work. > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws > you can to actually hold the plates. If your circumstances > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have > done any additional damage to the car. > > > > Enjoy! > > Tony Rende > > '94 TT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Altig" > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never > been registered in a > state requiring front license plates. While I love the > virgin front > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so > that I can > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk > III owner who is > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it > inspected before I get > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All > of the needed > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > -- > Greg Altig > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > "MGMS is a disease...." > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv _________________________________________________ Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 Scanned by Erado Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. From johnacribb at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 11:35:59 2010 From: johnacribb at yahoo.com (John Cribb) Date: Fri Mar 12 11:36:31 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> Message-ID: <779271.19128.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Marcelo, there's still some great things to be said about living in the lone star state. The last time I was pulled over (and it was quite a few years ago), I made the mistake of going through an electronic toll booth around 85mph. The constable caught up with me about 2 miles down the road and told me since he didn't have his radar on at the time, he really didn't know how fast I went through, but he knew it was well above the limit. We then proceeded to have a great conversation about my car, and the '66 'Vette that he was restoring (and doesn't plan to run a front plate either.) In the end, he wrote me up for an expired inspection sticker, when he could've thrown the book at me for going 30 to 40 over the posted limit allowed through a toll booth. He was one very cool cop. John '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > From: Marcelo Aguirre > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" > Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 9:11 AM > John, What state is this?? If you > don't mind me asking. > Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. > They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for > everything. > > Marcelo > 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com > [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] > On Behalf Of John Cribb > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 > years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. > > Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about > it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, > and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't > be undone. > > If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law > enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have > if you don't run it. > > John > '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop > > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net > > wrote: > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate > bracket > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM > > > > > > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "irwin kenigsberg" > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 > > US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate > bracket > > > > > > Try www.Bumperplugs.com > >? they have plugs that will match your car color. > > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net > > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate > bracket > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a > front > > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on > it > > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if > anyone > > has a better approach, please let me know). > > > > > > > > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the > plates > > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations > in the > > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body > work. > > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest > screws > > you can to actually hold the plates. If your > circumstances > > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't > have > > done any additional damage to the car. > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Tony Rende > > > > '94 TT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Altig" > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada > > Eastern > > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate > bracket > > > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had > never > > been registered in a > > state requiring front license plates. While I love > the > > virgin front > > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland > so > > that I can > > register it when I return to the States in May. A > fellow Mk > > III owner who is > > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it > > inspected before I get > > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him > about? All > > of the needed > > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > > > -- > > Greg Altig > > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > > "MGMS is a disease...." > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 > Scanned by Erado > > Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required > to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail > message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, > and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the > Internal Revenue Code. > > This email and any attachments are solely for the intended > recipient and may contain confidential or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, any > disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information > included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify > us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete > this email and any attachments. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From supra94tt at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 12:08:47 2010 From: supra94tt at gmail.com (v4vendetta) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:09:32 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <779271.19128.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> <779271.19128.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6df545491003121008n87a3276l32b53a9e28127233@mail.gmail.com> Hmm.............. maybe you should dig deeper and ask yourself why an officer of the executive issues that which belongs to judicial???????????(summonses). Then you will realize that you should not have been stopped(arrested) at all. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM, John Cribb wrote: > Marcelo, there's still some great things to be said about living in the lone star state. > > The last time I was pulled over (and it was quite a few years ago), I made the mistake of going through an electronic toll booth around 85mph. The constable caught up with me about 2 miles down the road and told me since he didn't have his radar on at the time, he really didn't know how fast I went through, but he knew it was well above the limit. We then proceeded to have a great conversation about my car, and the '66 'Vette that he was restoring (and doesn't plan to run a front plate either.) In the end, he wrote me up for an expired inspection sticker, when he could've thrown the book at me for going 30 to 40 over the posted limit allowed through a toll booth. He was one very cool cop. > > John > '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop > > --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > >> From: Marcelo Aguirre >> Subject: RE: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >> To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" >> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 9:11 AM >> John, What state is this?? If you >> don't mind me asking. >> Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. >> They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for >> everything. >> >> Marcelo >> 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com >> [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] >> On Behalf Of John Cribb >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >> >> I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 >> years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. >> >> Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about >> it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, >> and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't >> be undone. >> >> If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law >> enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have >> if you don't run it. >> >> John >> '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop >> >> >> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net >> >> wrote: >> >> > From: trende@comcast.net >> >> > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate >> bracket >> > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >> > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM >> > >> > >> > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. >> > >> > >> > >> > Tony >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "irwin kenigsberg" >> > >> > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 >> > US/Canada Eastern >> > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate >> bracket >> > >> > >> > Try www.Bumperplugs.com >> >? they have plugs that will match your car color. >> > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: trende@comcast.net >> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate >> bracket >> > >> > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a >> front >> > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on >> it >> > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if >> anyone >> > has a better approach, please let me know). >> > >> > >> > >> > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the >> plates >> > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations >> in the >> > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body >> work. >> > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest >> screws >> > you can to actually hold the plates. If your >> circumstances >> > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't >> have >> > done any additional damage to the car. >> > >> > >> > >> > Enjoy! >> > >> > Tony Rende >> > >> > '94 TT >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Greg Altig" >> > >> > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >> > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 >> US/Canada >> > Eastern >> > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate >> bracket >> > >> > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had >> never >> > been registered in a >> > state requiring front license plates. While I love >> the >> > virgin front >> > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland >> so >> > that I can >> > register it when I return to the States in May. A >> fellow Mk >> > III owner who is >> > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it >> > inspected before I get >> > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him >> about? All >> > of the needed >> > parts have been ordered from Jeff >> > >> > -- >> > Greg Altig >> > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA >> > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) >> > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) >> > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) >> > "MGMS is a disease...." >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mkiv mailing list >> > Mkiv@mkiv.com >> > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mkiv mailing list >> > Mkiv@mkiv.com >> > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mkiv mailing list >> > Mkiv@mkiv.com >> > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mkiv mailing list >> > Mkiv@mkiv.com >> > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 >> Scanned by Erado >> >> Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required >> to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail >> message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, >> and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the >> Internal Revenue Code. >> >> This email and any attachments are solely for the intended >> recipient and may contain confidential or privileged >> information. If you are not the intended recipient, any >> disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information >> included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify >> us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete >> this email and any attachments. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- ?Yesterday the devil came right here. And it still smells of sulfur today.? Yesterday the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil came here talking as if he owned the world. Truly As the owner of the world. We could call a psychiatrist to analyze the president of the United States. What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?" Hugo Chavez. From mkiv at codesniffer.com Fri Mar 12 19:20:42 2010 From: mkiv at codesniffer.com (Nick G.) Date: Fri Mar 12 19:21:13 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> References: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> Message-ID: <1268443242.29005.360.camel@nimble.325Bayport> I also live in NY. I lucked out to get my Supra from MD where front plates are not required. I never put one on, and I never will. I've gotten pulled over twice for not having it. It's an equipment violation, so there's no points on your license. I just pay it. Given that I don't drive my Supra much (it's not my daily driver), the chances for getting pulled over aren't very high. And where I mostly drive (Suffolk), the cops don't seem to care very much. I also keep the plate in my back seat, so if I'm driving through an area known to have strict cops, I put it on the dash. -Nick G. '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 10:11 -0500, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > John, What state is this?? If you don't mind me asking. > Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. > They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for everything. > > Marcelo > 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of John Cribb > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. > > Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't be undone. > > If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have if you don't run it. > > John > '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop > > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM > > > > > > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "irwin kenigsberg" > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 > > US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > > > Try www.Bumperplugs.com > > they have plugs that will match your car color. > > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net > > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front > > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it > > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone > > has a better approach, please let me know). > > > > > > > > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates > > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the > > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body work. > > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws > > you can to actually hold the plates. If your circumstances > > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have > > done any additional damage to the car. > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Tony Rende > > > > '94 TT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Altig" > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > > Eastern > > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never > > been registered in a > > state requiring front license plates. While I love the > > virgin front > > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so > > that I can > > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk > > III owner who is > > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it > > inspected before I get > > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All > > of the needed > > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > > > -- > > Greg Altig > > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > > "MGMS is a disease...." > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 > Scanned by Erado > > Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. > > This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From andi at airmail.net Fri Mar 12 19:50:20 2010 From: andi at airmail.net (Andi Baritchi) Date: Fri Mar 12 19:50:41 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <1268443242.29005.360.camel@nimble.325Bayport> References: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> <1268443242.29005.360.camel@nimble.325Bayport> Message-ID: <4B9AEF5C.9070600@airmail.net> Putting it on the dash does nothing to reduce your odds of getting a ticket. Only an asshole cop would pull you over for that violation, and said asshole cop would enforce the law down to the letter. Having it in the cabin, and especially on the dash, does increase your risk of injury in an accident. My front plate is at home..... Cheers, Andi Nick G. wrote: > I also live in NY. I lucked out to get my Supra from MD where front > plates are not required. I never put one on, and I never will. I've > gotten pulled over twice for not having it. It's an equipment > violation, so there's no points on your license. I just pay it. Given > that I don't drive my Supra much (it's not my daily driver), the chances > for getting pulled over aren't very high. And where I mostly drive > (Suffolk), the cops don't seem to care very much. I also keep the plate > in my back seat, so if I'm driving through an area known to have strict > cops, I put it on the dash. > > -Nick G. > '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd > > > > > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 10:11 -0500, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > > >> John, What state is this?? If you don't mind me asking. >> Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. >> They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for everything. >> >> Marcelo >> 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of John Cribb >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM >> To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >> >> I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 years, in a state that requires both F&R plates. >> >> Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about it. They realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, and requires "modification" to the front bumper that can't be undone. >> >> If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law enforcement and see how much trouble you're likely to have if you don't run it. >> >> John >> '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop >> >> >> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >>> From: trende@comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >>> To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >>> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM >>> >>> >>> Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "irwin kenigsberg" >>> >>> To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 >>> US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >>> >>> >>> Try www.Bumperplugs.com >>> they have plugs that will match your car color. >>> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: trende@comcast.net >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >>> >>> To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >>> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front >>> license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it >>> and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone >>> has a better approach, please let me know). >>> >>> >>> >>> But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates >>> onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the >>> plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body work. >>> So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws >>> you can to actually hold the plates. If your circumstances >>> change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have >>> done any additional damage to the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Tony Rende >>> >>> '94 TT >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Greg Altig" >>> >>> To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" >>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >>> Eastern >>> Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket >>> >>> Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never >>> been registered in a >>> state requiring front license plates. While I love the >>> virgin front >>> bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so >>> that I can >>> register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk >>> III owner who is >>> pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it >>> inspected before I get >>> home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All >>> of the needed >>> parts have been ordered from Jeff >>> >>> -- >>> Greg Altig >>> Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA >>> '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) >>> '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) >>> '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) >>> "MGMS is a disease...." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mkiv mailing list >>> Mkiv@mkiv.com >>> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mkiv mailing list >>> Mkiv@mkiv.com >>> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mkiv mailing list >>> Mkiv@mkiv.com >>> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mkiv mailing list >>> Mkiv@mkiv.com >>> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 >> Scanned by Erado >> >> Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. >> >> This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From inov8tn at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 20:13:35 2010 From: inov8tn at gmail.com (Bill Lawry) Date: Fri Mar 12 20:14:11 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <1268443242.29005.360.camel@nimble.325Bayport> References: <130228991.14574131268282067036.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <578298.70291.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C71522B@ikex01.ikdom.com> <1268443242.29005.360.camel@nimble.325Bayport> Message-ID: <715b3dd71003121813vae49350rb657fc65204da0af@mail.gmail.com> years ago I had a Lotus Elan and kept the front plate pasted to the windshield. I'm tall so it didn't affect visibility. The cops could see it from the front so no problems. Andi makes a good point about increasing risk of injury in an accident if you have the plate in the cabin. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Nick G. wrote: > I also live in NY. I lucked out to get my Supra from MD where front > plates are not required. I never put one on, and I never will. I've > gotten pulled over twice for not having it. It's an equipment > violation, so there's no points on your license. I just pay it. Given > that I don't drive my Supra much (it's not my daily driver), the chances > for getting pulled over aren't very high. And where I mostly drive > (Suffolk), the cops don't seem to care very much. I also keep the plate > in my back seat, so if I'm driving through an area known to have strict > cops, I put it on the dash. > > -Nick G. > '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd > > > > > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 10:11 -0500, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > > > John, What state is this?? If you don't mind me asking. > > Here in NY specially NYC we don't have reasonable cops. > > They're so hungry for money that we get tickets for everything. > > > > Marcelo > > 97TT, 6spd, BPU++ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > John Cribb > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:10 AM > > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > I've run two MKIV's without front tags for 10 years and 6 years, in a > state that requires both F&R plates. > > > > Most of the cops I've run into are quite reasonable about it. They > realise it detracts from the appearance of the car, and requires > "modification" to the front bumper that can't be undone. > > > > If I were you, I'd have a quiet word with the local law enforcement and > see how much trouble you're likely to have if you don't run it. > > > > John > > '97 RSP 6spd APU hardtop > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, trende@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:34 PM > > > > > > > > > Thanks Irwin. Looks like a better option. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "irwin kenigsberg" > > > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:45:08 PM GMT -05:00 > > > US/Canada Eastern > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > > > > > > Try www.Bumperplugs.com > > > they have plugs that will match your car color. > > > --- On Tue, 3/9/10, trende@comcast.net > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: trende@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the opposite situation. I no longer need a front > > > license plate holder. So I removed the one that was on it > > > and plugged the holes with black plastic plugs ( if anyone > > > has a better approach, please let me know). > > > > > > > > > > > > But the screws used by the prior owner to hold the plates > > > onto the holder were too long, and left indentations in the > > > plastic that I can't plug or hide without some body work. > > > So, my recommendation would be to use the shortest screws > > > you can to actually hold the plates. If your circumstances > > > change, and you no longer need the holder, you won't have > > > done any additional damage to the car. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > Tony Rende > > > > > > '94 TT > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Greg Altig" > > > > > > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > > > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:34:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > > > Eastern > > > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > > > > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never > > > been registered in a > > > state requiring front license plates. While I love the > > > virgin front > > > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so > > > that I can > > > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk > > > III owner who is > > > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it > > > inspected before I get > > > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All > > > of the needed > > > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > > > > > -- > > > Greg Altig > > > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > > > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > > > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > > > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > > > "MGMS is a disease...." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mkiv mailing list > > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mkiv mailing list > > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mkiv mailing list > > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mkiv mailing list > > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Scanned on 11 Mar 2010 06:20:54 > > Scanned by Erado > > > > Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you > that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed > under the Internal Revenue Code. > > > > This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and > may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the > information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail > and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > From suprarossa at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 03:01:35 2010 From: suprarossa at gmail.com (Greg Altig) Date: Sat Mar 13 03:01:57 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket In-Reply-To: <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C7151FD@ikex01.ikdom.com> References: <20b630f81003081834h2570f1f6qc9d621cf10c4be32@mail.gmail.com> <27B19571FCBE4345A64447BDFE76FCEA01594C7151FD@ikex01.ikdom.com> Message-ID: <20b630f81003130101p6e6850e0oa3f337e1c314a1e8@mail.gmail.com> All, Thanks for all of the replies and ideas. To answer some of the questions that came up.... MD requires safety inspection at change of ownership only, not annually, so this is a one time deal that I will put up with, then install the bumperplugs as suggested. Same with window tint....once inspected I can get it tinted as dark as I want and then deal with the cops after that. I know of a couple of inspection stations in the state that might write me the certificate without the plate, but like I said, a friend is doing this not me. I don't run front plates on any of my other Supras and have never been stopped, but did get a ticket once for having my favorite sports team plate on the front of my Tundra instead of the state tag. Sheesh! I wish to be back in the Lone Star State. Spent 6 years in the western part and got every Toy 4X4 inspected with no issues no matter how much it was modded. Of course, that was back in the days when I usually had an open container and a loaded 30-30 in the rack ;) The bracket is factory specs from Toyota, so I am not afraid of the bolt length being wrong On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Marcelo Aguirre wrote: > The bumper has small bumps where your friend will drill very gently to > install the license plate bracket. > You can feel them if you pass your hand through the bumper. I've read that > it's best to remove the bumper to make sure the drill is precise. I don't > think anyone does it this way. > > Marcelo > 97TT, 6spd1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > Greg Altig > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 PM > To: The MKIV.com National Mailing List > Subject: [mkiv] Installing front license plate bracket > > Last year I bought an out-of-state Mk IV that had never been registered in > a > state requiring front license plates. While I love the virgin front > bumper..... It is time to get it inspected in Maryland so that I can > register it when I return to the States in May. A fellow Mk III owner who > is > pretty mechanical is going to do the work and get it inspected before I get > home. Any tips or 'watch outs' I should tell him about? All of the needed > parts have been ordered from Jeff > > -- > Greg Altig > Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA > '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) > '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) > '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) > "MGMS is a disease...." > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 09 Mar 2010 02:40:42 > Scanned by Erado > > Under applicable U.S. Treasury Regulations we are required to inform you > that any advice contained in this e-mail message or any attachment hereto is > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed > under the Internal Revenue Code. > > This email and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and > may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the > information included in this email and any attachments is prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail > and immediately and permanently delete this email and any attachments. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." From suprarossa at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 03:06:42 2010 From: suprarossa at gmail.com (Greg Altig) Date: Sat Mar 13 03:06:53 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Supra buying advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20b630f81003130106v66e6523dr83111db3cdcf083a@mail.gmail.com> T.J. As a recent purchaser of a car similar to your search, I can give you a good ballpark figure. Last summer I was searching for a low miles TT 6-speed, and settled upon one advertised on the forums. 1998 with 31,000 miles. Paid high $30k for it, which may have been a little more than I should have but it was in immaculate condition. Auto trannys will go a little less, and the price decreases slightly as you get into the 93/94 model years, but not by much. >From what I saw advertised last year, you can expect to pay 31K-42K, depending on whether you are buying from a private party or dealer. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:08 AM, T. Gillis wrote: > > Hi, > I'm planning on buying a mkivTT, and I'd appreciate input/advice > from y'all. I've read the FAQs at mkiv.com, and I'm trying to educate > myself > as much as possible. I have a mkii that I love & will keep forever, but > it's time to > get her a more powerful sibling ;-) > What would be a reasonable price to pay for a mkivTT automatic in pristine, > never modified > condition with under 40,000 miles? I know KBB & Edmunds pricing is too > low, > and I'd appreciate any info you can share with me. BTW, I'm in the SE > U.S., but I'll have the > car shipped to me if necessary. > Thanks for you help & I look forward to hearing from you. > T.J. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > -- Greg Altig Frederick, MD -> Riyadh, KSA '92 Mk III Turbo/targa/5spd (the RED) '98 Mk IV TT/targa/6spd (the WHITE) '85 Mk II P-Type 5spd (the BLUE) "MGMS is a disease...." 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