From suprastud97 at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 22:18:36 2010 From: suprastud97 at gmail.com (Dean Bates) Date: Mon Jan 25 22:19:00 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging Message-ID: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> Hello MKIV list members, I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards as the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. Thanks, Dean From jza80-alfvza at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 25 22:30:30 2010 From: jza80-alfvza at sbcglobal.net (lance) Date: Mon Jan 25 22:30:54 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BE7F1C73023428882CD60D695D29F0C@Wolrab.local> The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not pass the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 model to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet any test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. You could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in Georgia certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much better it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. Lance '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of Dean Bates Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM To: mkiv@mkiv.com Subject: [mkiv] Smoging Hello MKIV list members, I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards as the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. Thanks, Dean _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From genej at sonic.net Mon Jan 25 23:04:46 2010 From: genej at sonic.net (Eugene Jones) Date: Mon Jan 25 23:04:54 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I live in northern California, have a 93 turbo and have never had any problem getting it smoged? I don't understand the problem? Gene -----Original Message----- From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com]On Behalf Of Dean Bates Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:19 PM To: mkiv@mkiv.com Subject: [mkiv] Smoging Hello MKIV list members, I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards as the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. Thanks, Dean _______________________________________________ Mkiv mailing list Mkiv@mkiv.com http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From mkiv at codesniffer.com Tue Jan 26 07:47:55 2010 From: mkiv at codesniffer.com (Nick G.) Date: Tue Jan 26 07:48:10 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <5BE7F1C73023428882CD60D695D29F0C@Wolrab.local> References: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> <5BE7F1C73023428882CD60D695D29F0C@Wolrab.local> Message-ID: <1264513675.5961.5.camel@nimble.325Bayport> '98 Supras were not sold in NY for the same reason--emissions. NY typically adopts California's emission requirements, so they're usually the same, though sometimes NY lags by a year. I don't know if the emission requirements are the same in the two states for '98. My '98 always passes NY's emission tests. -Nick G. '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 23:30 -0500, lance wrote: > The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not pass > the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not > possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 model > to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet any > test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. > > So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. You > could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions > problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in Georgia > certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much better > it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. > > Lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Bates > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM > To: mkiv@mkiv.com > Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > > Hello MKIV list members, > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards as > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > Thanks, > Dean > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From montegobay1 at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 10:15:59 2010 From: montegobay1 at comcast.net (Erven) Date: Tue Jan 26 10:16:13 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <1264513675.5961.5.camel@nimble.325Bayport> References: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com><5BE7F1C73023428882CD60D695D29F0C@Wolrab.local> <1264513675.5961.5.camel@nimble.325Bayport> Message-ID: <11B0136594134649A3AAF4E40B161842@ErvenPC> thanks to NY emissions, I got my 98rsp right off the boat. Boy I bet the guy that ordered it was pissed. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick G." Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:47 AM To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" Subject: RE: [mkiv] Smoging > '98 Supras were not sold in NY for the same reason--emissions. NY > typically adopts California's emission requirements, so they're usually > the same, though sometimes NY lags by a year. I don't know if the > emission requirements are the same in the two states for '98. My '98 > always passes NY's emission tests. > > -Nick G. > '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 23:30 -0500, lance wrote: > >> The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not >> pass >> the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not >> possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 >> model >> to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet >> any >> test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. >> >> So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. You >> could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions >> problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in >> Georgia >> certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much better >> it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. >> >> Lance >> '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of >> Dean >> Bates >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM >> To: mkiv@mkiv.com >> Subject: [mkiv] Smoging >> >> Hello MKIV list members, >> >> I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California >> and >> as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions >> regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I >> was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards >> as >> the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. >> >> Thanks, >> Dean >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mkiv mailing list >> Mkiv@mkiv.com >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv From triffid_98 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 18:34:00 2010 From: triffid_98 at yahoo.com (David Regan) Date: Tue Jan 26 18:34:33 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <201001261800.o0QI05Yb020104@mkiv.com> Message-ID: <936332.37394.qm@web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also have a 93 turbo and pass CA smog, but the 1998 smog regulations are not quite the same as the ones for 1993. I often question my decision to stay in this crazy state. One of the more recent changes was to make it illegal to install a single catalytic converter when 2 were installed from the factory. From what I hear for ODB2 cars its even more stringent, to be strictly legal they need to be OEM converters. Sadly, the madness is already spreading. Several other states are in the process of adopting CA style emissions and that will only accelerate now that the EPA is mandating tighter smog restrictions. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:04:46 -0800 > From: "Eugene Jones" > > I live in northern California, have a 93 turbo and have > never had any > problem getting it smoged? I don't understand the problem? > > > Gene > From suprastud97 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 21:41:07 2010 From: suprastud97 at gmail.com (Dean Bates) Date: Tue Jan 26 21:41:28 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Re: Mkiv Digest, Vol 81, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <201001261800.o0QI05Yb020104@mkiv.com> References: <201001261800.o0QI05Yb020104@mkiv.com> Message-ID: <77f13f3c1001261941t3159f3e4hddf7603306985873@mail.gmail.com> Thanks guys. Dean On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:00 AM, wrote: > Send Mkiv mailing list submissions to > mkiv@mkiv.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mkiv-request@mkiv.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mkiv-owner@mkiv.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mkiv digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Smoging (Dean Bates) > 2. RE: Smoging (lance) > 3. RE: Smoging (Eugene Jones) > 4. RE: Smoging (Nick G.) > 5. Re: Smoging (Erven) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:18:36 -0800 > From: Dean Bates > Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > To: mkiv@mkiv.com > Message-ID: > <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello MKIV list members, > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards > as > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > Thanks, > Dean > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:30:30 -0500 > From: "lance" > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Smoging > To: "'The MKIV.com National Mailing List'" > Message-ID: <5BE7F1C73023428882CD60D695D29F0C@Wolrab.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not pass > the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not > possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 > model > to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet any > test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. > > So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. You > could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions > problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in Georgia > certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much better > it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. > > Lance > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > Dean > Bates > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM > To: mkiv@mkiv.com > Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > > Hello MKIV list members, > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards > as > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > Thanks, > Dean > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:04:46 -0800 > From: "Eugene Jones" > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Smoging > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I live in northern California, have a 93 turbo and have never had any > problem getting it smoged? I don't understand the problem? > > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com]On Behalf Of > Dean Bates > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:19 PM > To: mkiv@mkiv.com > Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > > > Hello MKIV list members, > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards > as > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > Thanks, > Dean > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:47:55 -0500 > From: "Nick G." > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Smoging > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: <1264513675.5961.5.camel@nimble.325Bayport> > Content-Type: text/plain > > '98 Supras were not sold in NY for the same reason--emissions. NY > typically adopts California's emission requirements, so they're usually > the same, though sometimes NY lags by a year. I don't know if the > emission requirements are the same in the two states for '98. My '98 > always passes NY's emission tests. > > -Nick G. > '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 23:30 -0500, lance wrote: > > > The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not > pass > > the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not > > possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 > model > > to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet > any > > test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. > > > > So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. You > > could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions > > problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in > Georgia > > certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much better > > it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. > > > > Lance > > '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > Dean > > Bates > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM > > To: mkiv@mkiv.com > > Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > > > > Hello MKIV list members, > > > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California > and > > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards > as > > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > > > Thanks, > > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:15:59 -0500 > From: "Erven" > Subject: Re: [mkiv] Smoging > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Message-ID: <11B0136594134649A3AAF4E40B161842@ErvenPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > thanks to NY emissions, I got my 98rsp right off the boat. Boy I bet the > guy > that ordered it was pissed. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Nick G." > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:47 AM > To: "The MKIV.com National Mailing List" > Subject: RE: [mkiv] Smoging > > > '98 Supras were not sold in NY for the same reason--emissions. NY > > typically adopts California's emission requirements, so they're usually > > the same, though sometimes NY lags by a year. I don't know if the > > emission requirements are the same in the two states for '98. My '98 > > always passes NY's emission tests. > > > > -Nick G. > > '98 Quicksilver TT 6-spd > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 23:30 -0500, lance wrote: > > > >> The '98 model will pass Smog Check II with flying colors. It will not > >> pass > >> the California cold start test which Smog Check II ignores. It was not > >> possible to get the primary cat to fire off quickly enough for the '98 > >> model > >> to pass CARB emissions testing, but it does meet Federal and will meet > >> any > >> test the State prescribes for an owner. Just not for a manufacturer. > >> > >> So, you MIGHT be able to get a '98 into California and have it pass. > You > >> could also do what I did to permanently solve the California emissions > >> problems - move somewhere else. While I will admit the weather in > >> Georgia > >> certainly isn't the same as Sacramento, everything else is so much > better > >> it's ridiculous. I should have left a lot sooner. > >> > >> Lance > >> '93 TT 6 Speed Coupe > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com [mailto:mkiv-bounces@mkiv.com] On Behalf Of > >> Dean > >> Bates > >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:19 PM > >> To: mkiv@mkiv.com > >> Subject: [mkiv] Smoging > >> > >> Hello MKIV list members, > >> > >> I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California > >> and > >> as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > >> regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, > I > >> was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission > standards > >> as > >> the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dean > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mkiv mailing list > >> Mkiv@mkiv.com > >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mkiv mailing list > >> Mkiv@mkiv.com > >> http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > _______________________________________________ > > Mkiv mailing list > > Mkiv@mkiv.com > > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv > > > End of Mkiv Digest, Vol 81, Issue 13 > ************************************ > From gdatuashvili at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 12:03:10 2010 From: gdatuashvili at gmail.com (George Datuashvili) Date: Sun Jan 31 12:03:42 2010 Subject: [mkiv] Smoging In-Reply-To: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77f13f3c1001252018g24c587f7kb695f5bd73339a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37b62b521001311003h7fd39dd6ve7e36452f7ba2a3c@mail.gmail.com> As lance said, not a problem. I'm in CA and had 98 6sp until recently. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dean Bates wrote: > Hello MKIV list members, > > I am looking to buy a 1994, 1997 or 1998 turbo, but live in California and > as the turbo model was not sold here in 1998 due to our emsissions > regulations, and it is a pistol to get the 93-97 cars smogged as it is, I > was wondering if the 1998 model is suspect to the same emission standards > as > the other years here in CA or if it is even more strict for that year. > > Thanks, > Dean > _______________________________________________ > Mkiv mailing list > Mkiv@mkiv.com > http://www.mkiv.com/mailman/listinfo/mkiv >